Birds dont have hair like humans or other animals, feathers are something different then
hair(and for a reason), different structure etc. Birds with feathers, have (some) wingfeathers which are primary for flight. A part of these have no other function then to generate lift or support fight. So birds have feathers that have the same function as human hair(at the nostrils for example), and birds have feathers that have the same function as human limbs, and that would be propelling them/lift/independance.
Comparing nostral hairs of a human to nostral hairs of a parrot would be a better comparrison in my opinion. But comparring cutting the wingfeathers, which are primary for flight with comparring hair of any creature makes less sense to me then comparring cutting it´s WING to cutting a limb. The bone, meat and skin which arnt harmed during clipping as u say, form the limb ´wing´. Feathers on the backside are of a bird are called also feathers, but it the tail and a limb of a bird, developped into feathers. There are also other creatures with a tail of bones, meat, bones-meat-flesh-skin. Cutting off a conures tail i would find as unacceptable as cutting off a tail of an iguana, even though the iguana tail grows back and it doesnt have feathers.
What makes the difference for ME is that no other animal uses his ´hair´ to flee, get food or water,to get to reach the age of sexual maturity . Therefore if a bird cant escape from predators and keep itself alive, the whole specie will be history.
In the past flying species of birds, who didnt have natural prey in their surroundings-environment and didnt have the need to fly anymore, became exticted because nature decided they didnt have the need to fly anymore untill humans came... This is not the case for pet parrots, but i bring it up to show how important is for a bird to fly and for their existence, so it´s incorporated in its instincts. If he cant fly he cant survive!
Flying is what made insects and birds the most succesfull creatures on this world so for only that reason i wish people(the mayority of parrotowners in Holland) would at least be a bit more open minded for this aspect.
Like i said in my earlier post, even if cutting off the hair of a rhino is not a permanent mutilation and he wont feel a bit of it, i really dont see a reason to do this.
About the neutring/spaying part on my birds and pets in general:
I think a big factor in this discussion is the reproductionrate of the specy, and also the type of animal, conditions etc. I know for sure i wont let my parrots physical interaction with any other parrot(or other animal). If they choose reproduce for what for reason, then thats what will happen.
Neutring/spaying pets in general: Its a way i see as animal control. If u wouldnt do this it would really become a mess, and im sure the more cats-dogs are around on the streets. Animals didnt domesticated themselves.
Sterlilasation is also what humans choose to do to ourselves. But i dont see our people giving willingly freely away a limb or our ability to walk, climb stairs to ride a wheelchair, walk on chruches or any other way that makes it far more difficult to continue our daily activitys. That is for me the big difference for the bird.
This discussion, which people might see as a personal attack, is not a personal attack.
It made me think about what i would consider as acceptable for myself or not. So as a conclusion for myself, i can say this in general, regarding to pets:
I would treat another human being or a pet the way i would like to be treated. With animals i have a whole lot more patience then with people.
If i wouldnt do it to myself or another person i wouldnt do it to my pet, with the exception that i take the animal away of its natural evironment.
Like i said, in holland my experience is that clipping is the standard. Most people get their bird clipped. When they get home they will look via Google for a parrot forum and will registrate there. Once they introduce themselves, alot of the times the wingclipping, diet or featherplucking is discussed.
I do post reactions of websites-youtubevids-or my own experience about this subject, but because people who see the advantages for themselves are overrepresented it is always about 2 against the rest, trying to convince people that it aint that difficult to achieve desired behaviour of a flighted parrot. Once clipped these people will see the advatages for them and the´false sense of security´is being reinforced by most of the reactions. So either if the person has some kind of interest in flight in general, flying birds or doesnt think it´s right to clip a bird i can say what i want but it doesnt help much... But that wont stop from giving my 2 cents
entrancedbymyGCC wrote:What if one of the goals is to improve the relationship between the owner and the bird? To allow for more interaction, for example. I think the needs of the owner in an owner-pet relationship also matter.
Well, i think u are right about that. I really dont have an idea how a relationship between a clipped parrot and his-her owner is, in relationship to a nonclipped parrot. All i can say is that i have 3 birds, i have invested time in them(i dont want to say u or anybody else doesnt spend time with his-her parrot) and i really dont think anybody can do with his-her own parrot that i cant do or teach him. I talk in this case of my best flying parrot, but i can quite easily get a disired behaviour from my other birds.